Comments on: How much does it cost to charge an iPhone 5? A thought-provokingly modest $0.41/year http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/ Blogs Wed, 22 May 2013 05:54:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: iPhone Development http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-44506 iPhone Development Wed, 15 May 2013 11:13:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-44506 The lengthy expected iPhone 5 is lastly in a lot of individual’s arms,” David Atomic views for Outlier. “Within three times of its Sept Twenty-first release, the apple company organization company had marketed a record-breaking five thousand styles. And within a season, experts venture that revenue of the iPhone 5 will achieve 170 thousand. The lengthy expected iPhone 5 is lastly in a lot of individual’s arms,” David Atomic views for Outlier. “Within three times of its Sept Twenty-first release, the apple company organization company had marketed a record-breaking five thousand styles. And within a season, experts venture that revenue of the iPhone 5 will achieve 170 thousand.

]]> By: zidane the legend http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-21575 zidane the legend Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:48:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-21575 This is why I really hate ignorance, or to put it in simple terms a level of stupidity that only a iphone users can live upto. 1. Still use them: Smartphone usage has not stopped people from using all other electronics- TVs, Computer, Laptops, or Gaming devices. I have never met a person who said "oh i stopped using Xbox, or I dont do work with my laptop". I can name 5 people who went and spend big bugs to buy toys- high graphics laptops by Apple and Sony to do what- video editing. Are they are not working for a director- no just some kids trying to upload youtube videos. So, smartphones are made as toys not as working devices. You need a laptop to write. I could not replace my MS OFFICE period. As to those who use these devices 90% of their work is play- status update, 10min games, one after the other. These are all wasteful activities taking up alots of data. WHICH COST ENERGY AND MONEY. Please understand the science before posting such articles. Smartphone Usage + Glitter toys = Huge amount of electricity usage 2. Data hogger: Smartphone is by far the worst thing when it comes to usage of internet data. I have a Galaxy note 2 and I had to kill, disable and do all kinds to tricks to make sure stupid things like- Facebook and Zigna or whatever it is called to stop going online. And the fact that there is no reason what as I don't play games or use the facbook app. So this stuff keeps on using large data and lower my batter. If you say "oh its an android, include yourself in the ignorance list as iphone with all the years of software development could not even add a simple tool to kill apps running in the background". Unnecessary Appls running + Internet data hogging = Huge electricity usage 3. World is mine: Almost every iphone app is based on advertisement and most of the developers make an app for Iphone then throw the same into Android. So from the user point of view- for lets say a work that takes 1kb you end up adding junk to make it 4-5kb. The worst part is the user did not even care for the advertisement. Its pure philosophy of Apple that is so much into the smartphone nowdays "the world is my playground, I don't care if my toys harm the environment". 4. Made to break: A laptop is built to last. An iphone was built to break as they knew their lead user will go back to buy the same one. I have met people who are "BROKE" and they blame everything but themselves "Oh coffee is expensive, ". Hold on "who told you to buy 3 iphones in less than 3yrs and then when it broke say oh "I have apple care". So now you spend $3-4,000 dollars not to forget the added junk to the environment cause lets face it these phones are not made with simple parts all complex junk that get into the main stream to pollute. But as usual now the game has changed as manufactures from Korea and Japan who are used to making products that last as their countries cannot afford the keep wasting attitude as Americans. 5. Expect the worst: This is not going to change if developers and manufactures take responsibility. Oh but hold their responsibility is towards shareholders as usual- forget the quality if it breaks will they buy our product again. WHY "OFcourse, why do you think we put a glass and steel onto it" neither will last more than a year. "hahahaha" This is why I really hate ignorance, or to put it in simple terms a level of stupidity that only a iphone users can live upto.

1. Still use them: Smartphone usage has not stopped people from using all other electronics- TVs, Computer, Laptops, or Gaming devices. I have never met a person who said “oh i stopped using Xbox, or I dont do work with my laptop”. I can name 5 people who went and spend big bugs to buy toys- high graphics laptops by Apple and Sony to do what- video editing. Are they are not working for a director- no just some kids trying to upload youtube videos. So, smartphones are made as toys not as working devices. You need a laptop to write. I could not replace my MS OFFICE period. As to those who use these devices 90% of their work is play- status update, 10min games, one after the other. These are all wasteful activities taking up alots of data. WHICH COST ENERGY AND MONEY. Please understand the science before posting such articles.

Smartphone Usage + Glitter toys = Huge amount of electricity usage

2. Data hogger: Smartphone is by far the worst thing when it comes to usage of internet data. I have a Galaxy note 2 and I had to kill, disable and do all kinds to tricks to make sure stupid things like- Facebook and Zigna or whatever it is called to stop going online. And the fact that there is no reason what as I don’t play games or use the facbook app. So this stuff keeps on using large data and lower my batter.

If you say “oh its an android, include yourself in the ignorance list as iphone with all the years of software development could not even add a simple tool to kill apps running in the background”.

Unnecessary Appls running + Internet data hogging = Huge electricity usage

3. World is mine: Almost every iphone app is based on advertisement and most of the developers make an app for Iphone then throw the same into Android. So from the user point of view- for lets say a work that takes 1kb you end up adding junk to make it 4-5kb. The worst part is the user did not even care for the advertisement. Its pure philosophy of Apple that is so much into the smartphone nowdays “the world is my playground, I don’t care if my toys harm the environment”.

4. Made to break: A laptop is built to last. An iphone was built to break as they knew their lead user will go back to buy the same one. I have met people who are “BROKE” and they blame everything but themselves “Oh coffee is expensive, “. Hold on “who told you to buy 3 iphones in less than 3yrs and then when it broke say oh “I have apple care”. So now you spend $3-4,000 dollars not to forget the added junk to the environment cause lets face it these phones are not made with simple parts all complex junk that get into the main stream to pollute.

But as usual now the game has changed as manufactures from Korea and Japan who are used to making products that last as their countries cannot afford the keep wasting attitude as Americans.

5. Expect the worst: This is not going to change if developers and manufactures take responsibility. Oh but hold their responsibility is towards shareholders as usual- forget the quality if it breaks will they buy our product again. WHY “OFcourse, why do you think we put a glass and steel onto it” neither will last more than a year. “hahahaha”

]]> By: Duncan Noble http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-2394 Duncan Noble Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:14:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-2394 There are actually at least 3 charging states, not 2. Almost no one unplugs their phone as soon as it reaches 100%. You modeled "active" charging to get the phone to 100%, but ignored "maintenance" charging to keep it at 100%, as well as "vampire" charging with no phone attached. Good to hear the "vampire" load is low, although Apple says it is higher at 0.23W (http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/iPhone5_product_environmental_report_sept2012.pdf ). What is the maintenance energy consumption if you leave the phone plugged in overnight? The total could easily be twice what you calculated, but I don't know what the charger draws after the phone has reached 100% but is still plugged in. Did you measure the total energy consumed by leaving the phones plugged in for 8 hours? There are actually at least 3 charging states, not 2. Almost no one unplugs their phone as soon as it reaches 100%. You modeled “active” charging to get the phone to 100%, but ignored “maintenance” charging to keep it at 100%, as well as “vampire” charging with no phone attached. Good to hear the “vampire” load is low, although Apple says it is higher at 0.23W (http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/iPhone5_product_environmental_report_sept2012.pdf ). What is the maintenance energy consumption if you leave the phone plugged in overnight? The total could easily be twice what you calculated, but I don’t know what the charger draws after the phone has reached 100% but is still plugged in. Did you measure the total energy consumed by leaving the phones plugged in for 8 hours?

]]> By: Frédéric Bastiat http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-1132 Frédéric Bastiat Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:37:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-1132 You clearly haven't thought this out. Here ya go. It's better to spend $400 on a phone that has energy costs associated with its manufacture and recycling and/or disposal not to mention the attendant environmental impact than to get a refurbished "dumb" phone free? As Emilio points out, there are also the attendant infrastructure energy costs. Go read this: http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html You clearly haven’t thought this out.

Here ya go. It’s better to spend $400 on a phone that has energy costs associated with its manufacture and recycling and/or disposal not to mention the attendant environmental impact than to get a refurbished “dumb” phone free?

As Emilio points out, there are also the attendant infrastructure energy costs.

Go read this:

http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html

]]> By: Clay Thompson http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-1073 Clay Thompson Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:18:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-1073 Huge swaths of land are being destroyed by radioactive wastes in third world countries to mine the rare earths needed to produce these devices. These are the ungreenist of consumer products. Huge swaths of land are being destroyed by radioactive wastes in third world countries to mine the rare earths needed to produce these devices. These are the ungreenist of consumer products.

]]> By: Paul http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-617 Paul Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:47:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-617 Wow... this is pathetic. The testing methodology is slanted toward smaller batteries. If I make a phone that has a teeny tiny battery, and it charges in 5 seconds, and cost $0.02 a year.... does that mean my phone will cost $0.02 a year to power? No, it means I'll be charging it every 15 minutes. At least now I know that opower cannot be trusted to present valid conclusions. Wow… this is pathetic. The testing methodology is slanted toward smaller batteries.
If I make a phone that has a teeny tiny battery, and it charges in 5 seconds, and cost $0.02 a year…. does that mean my phone will cost $0.02 a year to power? No, it means I’ll be charging it every 15 minutes.
At least now I know that opower cannot be trusted to present valid conclusions.

]]> By: Emilio http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-596 Emilio Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:21:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-596 It doesn't make much sense to use the charging price of smartphones and neglect the costs that they incur in the form of data centers in a comparison with things like TVs and photoframes that clearly aren't accessing the internet and utilizing data centers. The per phone cost associated with data usage probably far outweighs the cost per daily charge per year. You might try to estimate this by looking at the growth in total national capacity of data centers, then remove the proportionate industry share in devices that utilize data centers that aren't smartphones. It doesn’t make much sense to use the charging price of smartphones and neglect the costs that they incur in the form of data centers in a comparison with things like TVs and photoframes that clearly aren’t accessing the internet and utilizing data centers.

The per phone cost associated with data usage probably far outweighs the cost per daily charge per year. You might try to estimate this by looking at the growth in total national capacity of data centers, then remove the proportionate industry share in devices that utilize data centers that aren’t smartphones.

]]> By: Lee http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-589 Lee Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:51:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-589 Regardless of the amount of electricity, working on a high-powered desktop PC with dual 22" monitors sure beats working on the tiny screen of an iPhone/Android device. Regardless of the amount of electricity, working on a high-powered desktop PC with dual 22″ monitors sure beats working on the tiny screen of an iPhone/Android device.

]]> By: Dan S http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-571 Dan S Sat, 06 Oct 2012 08:31:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-571 How was the "nested circles" picture made? The areas of the circles should reflect the ratios, but by eye you can tell that they don't. The area of the iphone5 circle is 5mm^2 on my screen, while the area of the plasmatv circle is 3117mm^2. (The diameters are 2.5mm vs 63mm.) Neither the area, diameter, or radius show the claimed 100x relation. How was the “nested circles” picture made? The areas of the circles should reflect the ratios, but by eye you can tell that they don’t.

The area of the iphone5 circle is 5mm^2 on my screen, while the area of the plasmatv circle is 3117mm^2. (The diameters are 2.5mm vs 63mm.) Neither the area, diameter, or radius show the claimed 100x relation.

]]> By: Mr Unknown http://blog.opower.com/2012/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-iphone-5-a-thought-provokingly-modest-0-41year/#comment-570 Mr Unknown Sat, 06 Oct 2012 07:20:00 +0000 http://blog.opower.com/?p=2306#comment-570 How is the price per kWh so cheap? How is the price per kWh so cheap?

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